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Old & In The Way

Old & In The Way

Initial release : February 1975

Round Records RX 103

The original Old and In The Way LP with Garcia on banjo and vocals.


  • Pig In A Pen (Traditional)
  • Midnight Moonlight (Peter Rowan)
  • Old And In The Way (David Grisman)
  • Knockin' On Your Door (Traditional)
  • The Hobo Song (Jack Bonus)
  • Panama Red (Peter Rowan)
  • Wild Horses (Mick Jagger / Keith Richard)
  • Kissimmee Kid (Vassar Clements)
  • White Dove (Carter Stanley)
  • Land Of The Navajo (Peter Rowan)

  • Jerry Garcia - banjo, vocals
  • David Grisman - mandolin, vocals
  • Peter Rowan - guitar, vocals
  • Vassar Clements - fiddle
  • John Kahn - acoustic bass

  • Recorded live at the Boarding House, San Francisco in October 1973
  • Recording engineers - Owsley Stanley and Vickie Babcock
  • Producer - David Grisman
  • Editors - David Grisman and Owsley Stanley
  • Mixed - Owsley Stanley
  • Sleeve illustration - Greg Irons
  • Sleeve layout - Raymond Simone

Sleeve note by David Grisman. December 1974:

I first met Peter Rowan on the school grounds at Union Grove, North Carolina in 1963. The following year, Garcia and I crossed paths in the parking lot at Sunset Park in West Grove, Pennsylvalnia. Back then we were all on a quest, searching out that 'high lonesome sound' of Bill Monroe, Flatt and Scruggs, the Stanley Brothers, and other idols (Vassar, among them). The music on this disc, recorded live at a gig, embodies the spirit of that original Blue Grass quest, and a genuine affection for that superlative acoustic blend of banjo, guitar, fiddle, mandolin, string bass and voice(s). We hope you dig.
An additional technical note is added for the CD release;
Eight microphones were used in recording - four in each channel, mixed live onto a Nagra tape recorder. Tape speed of 15 IPS with 'Nagra Master' equalization insured low noise on transfer to disc. Persons interested in this EQ sould read 'Master Tape Equalization Revisited' by John G. McKnight And Peter F. Hille, Audio Engineering Society preprint #865 (A-G)
In an interview in 1973 Garcia spoke of the formation of the group;
.... It's been eight years since I've played banjo. We all used to be heavily into bluegrass, so we got together a little over a month ago, started playing and then decided, 'Shit, why don't we play a few bars and see what happens.'
Related releases

Reissued in 1985 in UK on LP and CD by Sugar Hill (SH-3746 / SHCD 3746)
Reissued in 1987 on CD by Rykodisc (RCD 1009)
Reissued in 1990 on Grateful Dead records (GDCD 4014)
Reissued in 1996 on Arista 14022

Wild Horses was included on the sampler;

Wild Horses was included on;
  • For Dead Heads, Various Artists, 1976, Round Records / United Artists, FREE 2 (UK produced sampler LP)
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